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Meiser 13668CX-6 and Tips

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Now, as I have adjusted my casting stroke to suit this rod, enabling me to launch my fly, I feel I can comment (and add value) about this new rod.  With the high water this summer year, it has seen little time in my local water and more time on the grass, but I am looking forward to get this rod out this fall and winter.

Handle and Balance Notes

  • Handle Length – just over 24″
  • Lower Handle – 6″
  • Downlocking Reelseat
  • Reel – Nautilus 12DD, which is listed as being 10.1oz (when empty)
  • Balance Point – Just under 20″

Observation and Comments:

It is listed as a progressive rod, and I can feel it more in the butt than my Meiser-S – which is too be expected.  After I adjusted my stroke accordingly with the line provided, I have had no issue to launch my fly with the line provided.

It is definitely lighter than my Burkheimer – 7134 – and I do not yet fell comfortable to put in a comparative analysis of the two.

As a 6 piece rod, it does fit in my travel rod carrier, but it consumes the volume of 2 rods. So planned accordingly, but other than this, I do not believe I am sacrificing anything for a 6pc rod.

If there was one change, it would be to reduce the lower handle to 5″ and be able to use the new lighter rods available. It was too light for my Danielsson Reel, so after some changes of lines and heads, I found the Nautilus 12DD a good fit.



The rod came with a SGS Line of 502 grains at 35.7′ and a note to add 10′ 70 grain tips.  This translates to RIO 7wt 10′ Replacement Tips.

I have experiments with a NextCast Winter Authority 2WA 55 6/7 and it was too light, and I want to get a Guideline 3D+ 9/10 on it, which is  38′ and listed at 570 grains.

TIP Reference

My collection of lines and rods, started needed some organization, but in doing so, I needed to learn a little more.  So I pulled out my scale, did a little research and have the following notes and observations.

Observation 1 – Leaders: Consistency in marking and identification of Airflo PolyLeaders and RIO VersiLeaders is just not there. I believe there is also some variability in the weights as well, but I cannot rule out error in mixing up lines, so this is just a suspicion.

Observation 2: I will  PolyLeaders-VersiLeaders for fine tip Scandi Lines, such as GuideLines’ Scandi 3D

Observation 3 – Leaders: Airflo Polyleaders are usually lighter and back-end loaded, where RIO Versileaders keeps the weight and mass closer to the tip.  Both are good, but I am incline to keep with Airflo as my default, for what I fishing, but this is just a preference.

Observation 4: Weights of ‘*Leaders’ – Some measurements of mass, by Poppy   (hyperlink to Poppy’s posting on SpeyPages fails, so not provided) , and by default I to Poppy’s.

  1. Airflo 5′ Polyleader – I will use with Guideline 3D lines
    1. Floating – 20 grains
    2. Hover – 20 grains
    3. Intermediate – 23 grains
    4. Slow Sink – 20 grains
    5. Fast Sink – 28 grains
    6. Super Fast Sink – 38 grains
    7. X-Super Fast Sink – 77 grains
  2. Airflo 10′ PolyLeaders – Guideline 3D lines, longer anchor or light OPST Lines
    1. Floating – 24 grains
    2. Hover (0.5″ (ips)) – 25 grains
    3. Clear Intermediate (1.5)- 26 grains
    4. Slow Sink (2.6) – 30 grains
    5. Fast Sink (3.9) – 32 grains
    6. Super Fast Sink (4.9)- 56 grains
    7. X-Super Fast Sink (6.1) – 76 grains
  3. 14′ Airflo PolyLeaders – Use with Bealuh Exlixir lines
    1. Floating – 40 grains
    2. Fast Sink – 50 grains
    3. Super Fast Sink – 98 grains
  4. 10′ RIO Spey VersiLeaders – Provided with my Meiser 1305S-5 with a SGS 411 grain line at a length of 32′
    1. Floating – 40 grains
    2. Sink 1.5 – 52 grains
    3. Sink 2.6 – 66 grains
    4. Sink 3.9 – 72 grains
    5. Sink 5.6 – 86 grains
    6. Sink 7.0 – 118 grains
  5. I have  a set of RIO 10′ VersiLeaders, which are no longer provided, which I use with my Meiser 1264 with a 311grain Scandi Line. What I have left in my “wallet” and measured is:
    1. Clear – Sink 1.5 – 25 grains
    2. Red – Sink 2.9 – 68 grains
    3. Blue – Sink 5.6 – 70 grains
    4. Black – Sink 7.0 – 73 grainsWhen these expire, I will replace them with Airflo Trout Leaders.


Observation 5: For Scandi lines with a stout tip, I use RIO Replacement Tips 10′ or 15′ – a consistent length tip with a consistent weight for all tips. In the RIO line up, you have:

  1. RIO Replacement – 10′ Tips
    1. 5wt – 55 grains
    2. 6wt – 65gr grains – may be used with Winter Authority WA35
    3. 7wt – 75 grains – used with the SGS Line with the Meiser 13668CX-6 Rod.
    4. 8wt –  85 grains
    5. 9wt – 95 grains
  2. RIO Replacement – 15′ Tips
    1. 6wt – 84 grains
    2. 7wt – 95 grains
    3. 8wt – 109 grains – used with my SRO Ballistic Express 470gr Line.
    4. 9wt – 129 grains – may be used with Winter Authority WA55, but its acquired with my Airflo MultiTip Line (Single-Hand) and most frequently used with my Scott ARC 9wt 9’6″ 4pc rod.
    5. 10wt – 150 grains

Airflo does not provided replacement tips, but I have a set of tips for my 7wt Multi-Tip line used with my Scott ARC 7wt 10′ 4pc rod.  The tips are 12′ and weight 75 grains, and very nice.

Though, I noted lack of consistency in marking, of the two provider vendors – RIO and Airflo – I would contend Airflo is the better of the two.

And of course there are Skagit Lines

Observation 6: When you want to go deep and-or throw some chickens, consider a thick Skagit line, which would have a thick tip.  To match, I use a mix of10′  RIO MOW for floating and full sink lines, and 10′ iMOW lines from RIO for the mix sink lines, either in T-8 (light) or T-11 (medium).

Observation 7: We make this so complicated for ourselves, and a stick of dy*** would be so much simpler, but this is the essence of fly-fishing.  And the proof, my working table that cross-references tips to lines and rods.

scandi tips



Written by raspberryfisher

2017/07/23 at 22:49

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